It's sickening that the narrative is so far off the truth in this matter. Parents are knowingly and purposely putting their children at risk of being separated from them. Does anyone scream injustice when the Mother of three Children is arrested for trespassing? The Children in this matter would be taken into custody and separated from the Mother while she was incarcerated. Likewise when Parents who are first and foremost responsible for the Health, welfare and well-being of their Children put said Children into harms way with full knowledge of the risks involved...why are we screaming injustice instead of putting the blame where it belongs...on the Parents.
We're so hesitant and reserved when it comes to assigning blame to Parents as if they just can't be held accountable. This is wrong. Any parent that drags their Children into a Crime is totally and complete responsible, liable, accountable and reprehensible for the consequences of that crime and what happens to their Children as a result of their actions. Our immigration laws haven't been suddenly radicalized. If you break our laws, skip the line full of people willing to respect our laws, cut to the front and cross the border and become a criminal in doing so...if you brought kids with you then they're getting taken away and you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Caring about these children and treating their parents with respect go hand-in-hand here. You cannot claim to be concerned about these children's fate and yet want to punish their parents for, say, fleeing the Cuban totalitarian regime for Florida without a legit visa.
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I'm sure children from the 1980s who were fleeing Cuba indeed felt that it was a better life to chance it in America than to stay home. This doesn't change the fact that, as a Parent, when you put your child into dangerous circumstances...bad things happen. Parents need to be held accountable for their actions and how those actions affect their Children who are innocent, meanwhile trying to place the blame on anyone else for long established consequences of criminal acts is not only counterproductive but is outright wrong.
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But this is not what this discussion is about. This discussion is about criticism of the parents who expose children to the danger of becoming orphans - by those very people who take the legal action leading to that situation. You cannot say, "These immigrants are illegal, we should deport them", and then, once you have deported them, say, "Now their children are orphans! It is their parents' fault" - while remaining consistent in your narrative. Either you deport their parents and accept the fact that their orphanship is the result of your actions, or you should not deport their parents, if the children's fate is of such importance to you. One or the other; there is no third option.
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In any case, my argument is: if you do not want children to be orphans, then do not take action against their parents leading to them becoming orphans. You cannot make the children orphans by your own choice and then accuse their parents of the consequences: the parents are not the ones orphaning their children - the state is. This is pure logic, and even if your political position does not match the conclusion of this logic, you have to admit that the parents in question, at the very least, are not solely responsible for their children's fates.
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Yea I'm not following the logic here. We shouldn't punish criminals (Parents who commit crimes) because if we do then their children become orphans? That's what I'm reading from your statement. So then being a parent would be an amnesty card from the law.
You cannot make the children orphans by your own choice and then accuse their parents of the consequences
This argument is ignorant of the fact that it's the PARENTS who are making the children into orphans. This debate is about the "Proximate cause", and the proximate cause of the separation of these children from their parents is: The actions of the Parents...not the laws of our land or the lawmakers or law enforcement.
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By the left's standard, you could never arrest anyone with a kid for anything. Ya know...because you can't seperate kids from their parents...
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Am I responsible for my children becoming orphans? Yes. Am I solely responsible for it? No. The responsibility is also shared by the thug who created the situation in the first place, and by the state which does not handle this sort of cases properly.
In case of families fleeing, say, Cuba, they see the alternative of their children becoming orphans in a First World country as better than the alternative of them living their whole lives in a totalitarian communist state. Or for the refugees from Mexico, the alternative of them being shot in a gang war. Just as I, shooting the thug and knowing the potential consequences, preferred it to my children being shot in front of my eyes.
The laws are not paramount, they are subjective and they change with time, as the values in the society also change. Sometimes it is worth it to gain something and risk losing everything, when the alternative is never having anything in the first place. This is why people in totalitarian states become dissidents, despite knowing that it is illegal and their children can become orphans: they prefer to try fighting for their children's freedom over letting them live with their parents, but in slavery. It is similar here: give children a hope for the better future even at the expense of your own future, or let them live in a third world country and hope they will one day be able to get a better future on their own - it is not an easy choice, and different people choose different options.
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